When u dual and ur opponent is 12-2 thats tough cause he can get cats theres fast.
Whats happens usually is that at the time u have 2 ogres, u get oted with many guards and 2 cats hit u in the ass. What i do is chopping bottom of 9 (in case im 9-11 dualing) and i try to rewall as long as i can to have the time getting 6-7 level 3 ogres. Usually they send all grunts at 9 so i just ran away by the chop ive done at 9 and go hit his town with ogres. So u usually kill him while u cant save 9. Then i pump raxes inside 11 and repair them. The result is very random. Sometimes it wins sometimes not.

Is there a good way to beat someone that dual cats well when u dual ?

My way is risky and i would like to know some other good strats. Thanks

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Me and Tdawg were working on this same sitation, and I recommend pumping grunts from your rax at 9 (9/11 dual) and even making a second and third rax for grunts. Chop at the opening of 9 to make a 2v1 choke. When the cats come, pray that you have enough to nail the cats and rewall quickly. A good 2-catter can make your life hell as Tdawg showed me. If you really suspect the 2 cat, make sure you are pumping plenty of grunts, giving preference over peons if you really have to.

To : Sluggo and Bluflare

U guys strats seems to be good. I got to try this when i'll come back on my good comp. The only problem is if the opponent perform a nice late dual power instead of the dual cats. Then ill have mass grunts to his mass ogres, unless i can slow him down with grunts, which may be difficult because he got a few grunts too. And he can adapt his strat as he see that i chop out fast to exit grunts...
KaNuKs
Well thanks guys ill try ur strats.

You've just got to scout it..

A early dual with a few grunts should beat a later dual...

I tried this the other day and it seemed to work out.. wall in with a smith / mill and farms. get a cat at 9 or 11 and get a gt at the other spot. Leave one peon outside and scout with him early on, use him to build a hidden rax then use him to build farms, so you don't waste a peon. Pump grunts when possible and you should have enough grunts to take out the cats by the time they hit.. that's what I usually do. Two treelines below 9 is a good spot to put the rax / farms, as they might go just below 9 or at s9, but generally don't go to that spot.

You'll be a bit behind the late dualer.

A dual vs a late dual is definately in favor of the dualer. But you made 2 guards and some grunts (which shouldn't be made till you are scouted). You should rush him and make him wall in, put up towers, etc. or have him outrush you, and thus you are about equal. This, however puts you in favor against a dual cat or sapper rush..

Yea Bizatch ur right. The only problem is that i like dualin without smith before hold.
But i guess ill have to get one before if i want to grunt rush. I gotta try all these shits on my new comp. On the comp im playin during the christmas holiday, i cant have a good unit control, so i cant test it very well.

Thanks again

Kanuks

The late dualer will definately be ahead because he doesn't make the 2000 dollars worth of towers.

And also he doesnt make the two more racks before hold.

And why would the late dualer towers if he would be ahead in grunts? He has 2k + more gold because he doesn't have to make the towers.

The early dualer has more peons.

I'm sure Ax will agree with this...


the one will more skill will win it all

Not always..

The later dualer will be ahead, and at worst equal. A dual vs a late dual might have 3 more peons and 2 guard towers, plus some repair time/resources(roughely 3300 gold and 100 wood not counting the time the repair peons arent gathering resources). and the late dualer will have 4-5 grunts(2400-3000 gold). IN a dual vs late dual situation, the late dualer should be big with lust just a few seconds after the dualer. If the dualer makes lots of grunts/rax early on, the late dualer will be ahead.

I've already mentioned my early ogre 22 peon hold dual, that works well. Getting cats inside 9 and walling back should work well also.

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What post did you mention that 22 peon hold dual in? I'd be interested in copying it and using on you and khb sometime soon :P

The faster that you expand, the faster you get a peon base going, the faster your resources come in, the faster you can pump offensive units, the faster you win the game.

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The faster that you expand, the faster you get a peon base going, the faster your resources come in, the faster you can pump offensive units, the faster you win the game.

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besides a chopout dual rush to try to pick off their cats, you can always just keep moving your wall back. make more gts inside to keep them at bay, and youll also need some additional cats from barracks deeper inside of 9. eventually youll hold them off and be ahead for sure, unless they managed to take an exp as well during the big battle. since that could be the case, its good to sneak some ogres around the back looking for the exp while battling with your towers/cats to hold 9. hope this helps kanuks,

blid

Wow i dont remember posting this thread! It's from 2001. Thanks for bumping it Fast Luck, its a good strategy thread

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besides a chopout dual rush to try to pick off their cats, you can always just keep moving your wall back. make more gts inside to keep them at bay, and youll also need some additional cats from barracks deeper inside of 9. eventually youll hold them off and be ahead for sure, unless they managed to take an exp as well during the big battle. since that could be the case, its good to sneak some ogres around the back looking for the exp while battling with your towers/cats to hold 9. hope this helps kanuks,

blid

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Well, it really depends how successful the catter/towering person is
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if you have to rewall he's successful, he already has an early mill for the cats he'll easily outpower you if he doesn't completely forget his main while catting you (something midrange skill players do alot) but a good player will trounce you if you dont get rid of the cats. Depending how fast they are at it, an extremely fast ogre rush sometimes works. Or you can just make 2 cats of your own, and out micro him.

Allstar should be blocked from posting anything in the strategy section.

I could say the same for you kanuks, go back to fastest you scrub and get raped by floyd more

get knocked out of tourneys in round 1 more

hall, gryphon aviary more

make up retarded recs against people you can't beat more


or, better idea, shut the fuck up and don't post here again.

All lies. When did i lose to floyd?

i got beat first round twice out of 10 tourneys, i won at least 5 of them. one of the time i got beat 1st round was vs hacking Braviet, whom me and swift caught a few months after. We requested warvid, at which point he started to lose each and every single 1v1s he played against us. He did no more of these hacking scout that he did all the time : scouting a building but stopping right when he can see it but before he gets in the range of the building sight. He did this all the time before we requested warvid, he never did it once he was forced to warvid.

I never used a build hack. Only jealous morons like you can make that shit up. No one believes you anyway so i could care less about that pathetic accusation.

My records have always been really close to the reality. If you want to hear some fake records, go listen at SG who finds a way to credit himself 2 wins when he loses one.

You are an all time newbie and you don't even know the game enough to give any tips. Have you ever beat me 1on1? Don't think so. You admitted having hacked vs me in a serie and lost badly which is why you went on a rampage to prove that i hack, no matter if im totally legit, which i am.

You hacking isnt enough to hang with a player like me, just get over it newbie.

i never once used a hack vs you in a series you faggot fuck, quit making up lies, i never said that, ever. I'm an all time newbie, please, last 2v2 i played with you was me vs you 12/2 and you got scrubbed out. (here comes the 'that game never happened lol') and i've never even played you a 1on1 series douchebag. You are so legit you made up every single fact in your whole post you flaming pile of shit. Give it up. You are not one of the greats, you are a scrub who thinks too highly of yourself (i refer to the poll in moderated forum, good game. owned.) you got DECENT at a time when NOBODY else gave a FUCK about the game except battle net scrubs. (like yourself).

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one of the time i got beat 1st round was vs hacking Braviet, whom me and swift caught a few months after.

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