Apparently Yahoo is opening their NBA leagues in 2 days (August 22nd)
so maybe u dumb fucks can get some mock drafts in and try to compete with me?
since blid ran off Queensbridge I guess we have to do 10 teams this season....


Where would u draft Rose this season? I personally wouldn't touch him until 4/5th rounds because of his massive injury risk... maybe even lower since he's already complaining about soreness , it seems inevitable he'll drop early in the regular season (if he even makes it that far after playing in the world cup + training camp and preseason).. RIP Rose's career.
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Prepare to be raped newbs.
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couple changes to the mock draft lobby, not much else is new.
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so looking at the 2013-2014 rankings (punting one category, free throws), dwight howard ranked a near first rounder (13th overall) , where gordon hayward ranked mid 7th round (80th overall) ..

so yea it was a dumb trade and i'm bringing it up again because blid still thinks it was a good trade. do you even need any more evidence than that?
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fuck the nba.

its NFL season.

besides the pacers lost lance and karma broke paul georges leg for it.

i hope frank vogel doesnt run D West into the ground here in his twilight while the team regroups for next season when vogel is replaced by mark jackson.

play the shit out of the young kids and find out what you got.
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
Top quality trolling Chayliss. Hat tip to you

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also in this post - special shout out to my boy chay

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queensbridge was a dumb baby who quit because he didnt like a trade
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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honestly if you look how lopsided it was, it was almost worth quitting over. then you called him stupid he rage quit.
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yeah he was a pathetic loser, and the trade was fine.
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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13th ranked player for a 80th ranked is not fine.
how are u this dumb?
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i posted all the stats in the thread at the time, and the two people owning the players in question agreed on the trade. you can't veto that.

http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/archive/nba/2013/17806/message?msgid=v1/mb/board/b9cc23ab-9b65-464b-9ea6-9eaf62e17887/thread/1385493709268-a1e67b7a-f78b-4d31-b115-867c163eab4f

i posted:

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for the team receiving hayward:
-0.9 pts
+1.3 threes
-7.7 reb
+3.4 ast
+0.9 stl
-1.7 blk
0 TO
-18.9 fg%
+34.6 ft%

what's the big deal

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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a commish who would veto a trade of two people having equal seasons is a bad commish. that's up to the two teams making the trade. people like queensbridge who cry like baby because they dont like a deal two other people came to, when that deal was perfectly even in terms of production for the first 30 games of the season or w/e, are clowns
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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by the way, hayward finished last season ranked 68. howard finished ranked 156
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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https://basketballmonster.com/PlayerRankings.aspx

what are you not understanding about these rankings? 8-cats (punt free throws) Dwight finished a near first rounder (13th overall) where Gordon finishes in the 80s..

that's all the evidence you need to realize the trade was garbage..
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
i posted all the stats in the thread at the time, and the two people owning the players in question agreed on the trade. you can't veto that.

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since both players agreed AND since it was even in terms of production. i posted the numbers. no one got any bigger an advantage than the other according to the stats at the time

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Originally posted by Jon;
https://basketballmonster.com/PlayerRankings.aspx

what are you not understanding about these rankings? 8-cats (punt free throws) Dwight finished a near first rounder (13th overall) where Gordon finishes in the 80s..

that's all the evidence you need to realize the trade was garbage..

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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for the team receiving hayward:
-0.9 pts
+1.3 threes
-7.7 reb
+3.4 ast
+0.9 stl
-1.7 blk
0 TO
-18.9 fg%
+34.6 ft%

what's the big deal

lose rebounds and blocks, gain assists and steals and threes, lose fg%, big gain in ft%. what's so uneven about this that it demands a veto and we need to overrule the teams makign the deal?
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
since both players agreed AND since it was even in terms of production. i posted the numbers. no one got any bigger an advantage than the other according to the stats at the time

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Originally posted by Jon;
https://basketballmonster.com/PlayerRankings.aspx

what are you not understanding about these rankings? 8-cats (punt free throws) Dwight finished a near first rounder (13th overall) where Gordon finishes in the 80s..

that's all the evidence you need to realize the trade was garbage..

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free throws is a category in our league.

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trading dwight for hayward still seems fair to me. and this is why

gordon hayward is like a B-level 9-category player. He's not LeBron or Andrei Kirilenko in his prime, but he produces in literally every category, and auto-loses you none.

dwight howard is a potential league leader in rebounds and blocks, and a good scorer with high FG% (a lot higher than haywards last year, to be sure). but you auto-lose free throws, and howard provides nearly zero in multiple categories. if you're down by a 3pter or an assist and you have dwight howard playing, you aren't getting any help there.

if you want to punt free throws, of course dwight howard is the better fit for your team. But what if you dont want to punt FT? What if you have a pretty good set of FT shooters and howard is losing you this category every week? In that case, I'd prefer Hayward by a mile, especially if my SG/SF was thin and I had a lot of big men.

the thing is, dwight howard is a player that you need to draft and build your team around. Hayward is a player that is much easier to plug and play.

this is why i win every season, playing with morons.
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
since both players agreed AND since it was even in terms of production. i posted the numbers. no one got any bigger an advantage than the other according to the stats at the time

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Originally posted by Jon;
https://basketballmonster.com/PlayerRankings.aspx

what are you not understanding about these rankings? 8-cats (punt free throws) Dwight finished a near first rounder (13th overall) where Gordon finishes in the 80s..

that's all the evidence you need to realize the trade was garbage..

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free throws is a category in our league.

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yes free throws is ONE category. ONE category is the only thing that if you look at in a 9-category rankings brings Dwight down to Hayward's level, but if u were to punt free throws (which you do if you draft dwight) he is on a whole other level.

i don't really see how showing stats gained and lost is more accurate than the actual rankings .. if it was even like you said dwight wouldn't be ranked 13th and hayward 78, a huge difference... the problem is you're looking at dwight's rankings with his free throws and suddenly think that one terrible category puts him on haywards level...

the overall value of dwight's categories stomps the shit out of haywards, which is what is shown in the rankings..

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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dwight howard's negative free throw impact is actually meaningless since if you draft him you're intending on punting it anyways. unless you're some mental retard from our league apparently.

how is this even an argument? it was a garbage trade. i'll keep repeating this maybe until you understand it,

here are the player rankings punting free throws



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78 Gordon Hayward




... and it's still worth discussing a year later in case you try to allow more bonehead trades like this in the future. you didn't even think it should have been allowed to be voted on , what the fuck.


i'm saying this again - dwight howard's negative free throw value is meaningless because if you draft him you are not concerned with that category anyways and you're likely to build around him with other garbage ft shooters, maximizing his value (much superior than haywards)..
not to mention his trade value is significantly higher on name alone.
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by the way... ft% punting howard is still ranked below
anthony davis
deandre jordan
andre drummond
kevin love
al horford
al jefferson
serge ibaka

and *immediately behind him* are
demarcus cousins
blake griffin
dirk nowitzki
paul millsap

etc etc etc

so basically. so mega elite ultra unstoppable top 13 when you ignore his really bad category WDIFGHT HOWARD is actually still like the 8th best c enter????
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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i'm saying this again - dwight howard's negative free throw value is meaningless because if you draft him you are not concerned with that category anyways and you're likely to build around him with other garbage ft shooters, maximizing his value (much superior than haywards)..
not to mention his trade value is significantly higher on name alone.

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
this is gibberish. if you are dealing dwight howard, his very negative ft% is part of his "value" that has to be factored in and accounted for in making the deal. *if* you planned in a way that dwight howard's ft failure doesnt hurt you that much, you probably wont make the deal, but that doesnt make howard MORE valuable in general?? he still has that really bad ft% that the rest of the league would have to take on if they dealt for him.

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and howard, your hero 13th ranked super king when ignoring ft, as stated above, is still not one of the top big men???? even when ignoring ft?? he's not really separated from the pack at all? get over it.

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
this is gibberish. if you are dealing dwight howard, his very negative ft% is part of his "value" that has to be factored in and accounted for in making the deal. *if* you planned in a way that dwight howard's ft failure doesnt hurt you that much, you probably wont make the deal, but that doesnt make howard MORE valuable in general?? he still has that really bad ft% that the rest of the league would have to take on if they dealt for him.

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dwight doesn't have as much value to your team if you're combining him with higher ft% players because then he becomes a huge drain on an otherwise positive category. it's when you combine him with similar players like drummond or deandre you really maximize his value on your team.
that is punting, it's a strategy to maximize value in certain cats and whatever category you're punting is irrelevant to your team.

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who cares? i'm talking about how superior he is to gordon hawyward in the dumb lopsided trade you allowed. now that you realize dwight howard ranks 13th overall (punting fts) and still think that trade was even?

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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hey idiot. if im punting i probably wont trade dwight. but if i am trading him, his value is lowered for the rest of the league because of his ft%!~!! unless some other person is already punting ft% but even he isn't going to give full p rice for dwight because he knows no one else can take him on.

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theres more ways to measure superiority. first we find, if you punt ft, like 80% of the top 15 is centers. that makes him less valuable by comparuison because scarcity, you noob1`. theres way less sg/sf that are good

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dude the top 25, with free throws removed, has 15 guys with center eligibility, and the top 30 with ft removed has 20 guys with center eligibility. dwight is 8th out of those centers. it's really not that special. and im already ignoring something that complete tanks dwight's value here now when im saying this. dwight FORCES you to punt ft. that's a category you could be competing in if you don't have him. that's a major sacrifice to be kept in mind. you have to draft a whole team around it, which most people TRADING for dwight probably haven't done, which means you xcan't just jack off to his ft punted rank and declare the trade ufnair. AND, i already posted the numbers differences at the time of the trade. the players were equals. you're really wrong with nowhere left to go here.
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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lololol, is this a fucking joke? ranking guards only you'll find more than 25 better ones than hayward.

you won't find 25 centers better than howard, believe that

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hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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the "guards" you see above hayward are mostly all PGs. sg/sf has been really rare lately :/

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dude the top 25, with free throws removed, has 15 guys with center eligibility, and the top 30 with ft removed has 20 guys with center eligibility. dwight is 8th out of those centers.

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so dwight's ranked 8th in centers and hayward is not even in the top 25 in guards.... how does this help your argument again?

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literally your only argument that it's an even trade is because dwight howard's free throws are bad..

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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