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Neuroscientists plant false memories in the brain

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In a step toward understanding how these faulty memories arise, MIT neuroscientists have shown that they can plant false memories in the brains of mice. They also found that many of the neurological traces of these memories are identical in nature to those of authentic memories.

In last year's study, the researchers conditioned these mice to fear a particular chamber by delivering a mild electric shock. As this memory was formed, the c-fos gene was turned on, along with the engineered channelrhodopsin gene. This way, cells encoding the memory trace were "labeled" with light-sensitive proteins.

The next day, when the mice were put in a different chamber they had never seen before, they behaved normally. However, when the researchers delivered a pulse of light to the hippocampus, stimulating the memory cells labeled with channelrhodopsin, the mice froze in fear as the previous day's memory was reactivated.

"Compared to most studies that treat the brain as a black box while trying to access it from the outside in, this is like we are trying to study the brain from the inside out," Liu says. "The technology we developed for this study allows us to fine-dissect and even potentially tinker with the memory process by directly controlling the brain cells."

[b]Incepting false memories
That is exactly what the researchers did in the new study -- exploring whether they could use these reactivated engrams to plant false memories in the mice's brains.

First, the researchers placed the mice in a novel chamber, A, but did not deliver any shocks. As the mice explored this chamber, their memory cells were labeled with channelrhodopsin. The next day, the mice were placed in a second, very different chamber, B. After a while, the mice were given a mild foot shock. At the same instant, the researchers used light to activate the cells encoding the memory of chamber A.

On the third day, the mice were placed back into chamber A, where they now froze in fear, even though they had never been shocked there. A false memory had been incepted: The mice feared the memory of chamber A because when the shock was given in chamber B, they were reliving the memory of being in chamber A.

Moreover, that false memory appeared to compete with a genuine memory of chamber B, the researchers found. These mice also froze when placed in chamber B, but not as much as mice that had received a shock in chamber B without having the chamber A memory activated.

"Now that we can reactivate and change the contents of memories in the brain, we can begin asking questions that were once the realm of philosophy," Ramirez says. "Are there multiple conditions that lead to the formation of false memories? Can false memories for both pleasurable and aversive events be artificially created? What about false memories for more than just contexts -- false memories for objects, food or other mice? These are the once seemingly sci-fi questions that can now be experimentally tackled in the lab."

Neuroscientists plant false memories in the brain
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"We call this 'incepting' or implanting false memories in a mouse brain," Tonagawa told Science.

Cool
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say you 'incepted' memories of having sex with a lady. would the person with those memories still be a virgin
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hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
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quote:
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say you 'incepted' memories of having sex with a lady. would the person with those memories still be a virgin


Yes, you would still be a virgin. Lol...so owned.
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quote:
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say you 'incepted' memories of having sex with a lady. would the person with those memories still be a virgin


wouldn't it be easier for you to pay for a prostitute?
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Damn blid didn't know you were this hard up.
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It was a burn on jon buyt i guess it was too subtle for the likes of you guys.
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hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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you're the virgin though
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Actually I'm not, I was in a relationship with someone for over a decade and I HAD SEX!!! Shocked Very Happy How about you?

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you listen to the smiths and you're vegetarian, you're barely even male.. and you want to get into a dick measuring contest?
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quote:
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quote:
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say you 'incepted' memories of having sex with a lady. would the person with those memories still be a virgin


wouldn't it be easier for you to pay for a prostitute?
This is rape. So are you a virgin, or are you a rapist?

Also, there's nothing wrong with liking The Smiths, one of history's greatest pop bands.
Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Smiths#Legacy
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hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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the estrogen-fueled rage is high with this one..
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
you listen to the smiths and you're vegetarian, you're barely even male.. and you want to get into a dick measuring contest?


lol you actually made this post

jon eats meat and listens to br00tal metal so hes a real man even if the majority of his life is spent in a dank basement that smells of taco bell and dried semen
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quote:
Originally posted by hassan-i-sabbah
quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
you listen to the smiths and you're vegetarian, you're barely even male.. and you want to get into a dick measuring contest?


lol you actually made this post

jon eats meat and listens to br00tal metal so hes a real man even if the majority of his life is spent in a dank basement that smells of taco bell and dried semen


as opposed to your basement that reeks of feminine hygiene products, flowers and a garden salad?

you aren't actually trying to convince anyone you're "cooler" than that hypothetical person you just described are you? haha
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
quote:
Originally posted by hassan-i-sabbah
quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
you listen to the smiths and you're vegetarian, you're barely even male.. and you want to get into a dick measuring contest?


lol you actually made this post

jon eats meat and listens to br00tal metal so hes a real man even if the majority of his life is spent in a dank basement that smells of taco bell and dried semen


as opposed to your basement that reeks of feminine hygiene products, flowers and a garden salad?


yep definitely no masculinity issues with this guy...
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A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.

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fucking useless dork lol , your entire existence on the internet consists of constant trolling like a dumb baby.
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tell us more, this discussion is providing valuable insight to jon's inner life
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A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.

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So if we incept jon with sex memories, he'll never have had sex, but he'll still have all the memories and experiences of someone who has. That's where the virginity label would get blurred. Or, how about the opposite, what if you sunshine of the spotless minded me and erased my sex experience. Would I be a born-again virgin? Truly fascinating philosophical questions.
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hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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lol @ "sex experience" is either a hilarious typo or you rarely see much action. one whole "sex experience" in during a relationship you apparently had for a decade!
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Experience with sex. Not a single "experience," I don't know why someone would read it that way.
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hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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probably cause you used "erased" being past tense and not erase.
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Imagine if I said "imagine if you erased my War2 experience." Would that mean I only played one game of War2. No, it would be referring to the experience I have accumulated through years of playing
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hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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it's a moot point since you have no experience, but really a better way to have constructed your goofy sentence would be "erased my sexual experiences", not "sex experience" which really only implies one event.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
it's a moot point since you have no experience, but really a better way to have constructed your goofy sentence would be "erased my sexual experiences", not "sex experience" which really only implies one event.


Ah, indeed.
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if they incept me with memories of having 65k posts on a forum, will i be as the same level of retardedness of hassan ?
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quote:
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It was a burn on jon buyt i guess it was too subtle for the likes of you guys.
it was funny Smile
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quote:
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if they incept me with memories of having 65k posts on a forum, will i be as the same level of retardedness of hassan ?

The problem is where would this memory be installed in?

Have no fear though,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/06/head-transplant-italian-neuroscientist_n_3533391.html
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quote:
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i rather be a pedophile than a homo

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quote:
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quote:
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It was a burn on jon buyt i guess it was too subtle for the likes of you guys.
it was funny Smile


only for its irony.
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quote:
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it's a moot point since you have no experience, but really a better way to have constructed your goofy sentence would be "erased my sexual experiences", not "sex experience" which really only implies one event.
so when you go to a job interview and they ask you about your "work experience" how do you respond?

strictly hypothetical question btw. i know you've never tried to get a job

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