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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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 | no because there isn't |  
                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:22 am |  |  | 
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                | Sypher 
 
  
 Joined: 18 Sep 2000
 Posts: 5698
 Location: Detroit, MI
 | Depends greatly on skill level.  And since I feel it is stupid to post my answer without explanation, I am going to.
 I feel in the lower/mid skill level range, zerg is severely lacking because they require the most mechanics to execute properly.
 -Constantly spreading creep
 -Managing larva correctly
 -scouting
 - flanking
 -inject larva
 -etc
 It is just a lot of stuff to do for someone who isn't insanely fast.
 
 At the same skill level, I feel as though Terran is the easiest to execute.  A low skilled player can get by relatively easy by just 1a2aing their army.
 
 Protoss is sort of caught in the middle.  They got really powerful units, but they cost a shit load of resources/supply.  They are also a more micro oriented race. (Collosus, high temps, blinking stalkers, etc)
 
 The biggest problem I have between the races is the macro mechanics for each race.  Zerg has larva inject, which is extremely punishing.  If you miss a larva inject, you can't make up for it.  However, with protoss and terran, you can make up for missed macro since there is no cool down involved with mule and chrono.
 
 At high level play, I feel the races are pretty balanced.  As meta game changes, this could change as well, though.  We have only scratched the surface of strategy in SC2.
 
 Also, ZvZ is absolutely brutal.  Worst MU in RTS history.
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:25 am |  |  | 
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                | Rat 
 
  
 Joined: 24 Mar 2005
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 | protoss > zerg
 every other matchup feels ok.
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:23 pm |  |  | 
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                | 7VlesSiah 
 
  
 Joined: 16 Feb 2001
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 | terran>toss>zerg_________________
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:42 pm |  |  | 
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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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 | can already tell you two are bads |  
                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:00 pm |  |  | 
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                | 7VlesSiah 
 
  
 Joined: 16 Feb 2001
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 | Tweedledum!!
 It took me 15 years to find the biggest idiot in war2, Foonat.
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:18 pm |  |  | 
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                | Sypher 
 
  
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  Originally posted by Rat
 protoss > zerg
 
 every other matchup feels ok.
 
 
 PvZ is probably the most balanced match up in the game.  Only real cheese is 4 warpgate all in, which is easily stopped if you scout it and throw up 4-5 crawlers and get your hydras out at proper time.
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:41 pm |  |  | 
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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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 | saying one race is > another means you're bad and don't know or understand the game, sorry. look at what sypher wrote, that is a much more accurate description of the state of race balance atm |  
                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:15 pm |  |  | 
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                | Rat 
 
  
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 | it was a simple and true statement, but of course not covering all allspect of the game just like author of this thread wanted._________________
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:27 pm |  |  | 
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                | 7VlesSiah 
 
  
 Joined: 16 Feb 2001
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 | In general I think terran is the best, then toss then zerg.  Reason is because Terran dominates Zerg.  That better foonat?  Dumb cunt._________________
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:08 pm |  |  | 
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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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  no it isn't because everything you said is wrongOriginally posted by 7VlesSiah
 In general I think terran is the best, then toss then zerg.  Reason is because Terran dominates Zerg.  That better foonat?  Dumb cunt.
 
 
 on a more relevant note, i have been getting matched up quite a bit (half my games) against protoss, seems to be popular at the moment
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:31 pm |  |  | 
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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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 | i think it comes down to zerg being more difficult to play effectively than the other two races, with terran being the "easiest" to play. at high levels, they are very even |  
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                | 7VlesSiah 
 
  
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 | So zerg/terran is equal match up?  Great.   Why do you even bother to post?  
 First post in the thread sort of sums things up.  You are the asshole he was afraid of when he made his post.
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:45 pm |  |  | 
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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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 | what are you crying about now retard
 i answered the question in the second post, then elaborated as the thread went on
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:17 pm |  |  | 
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                | Sypher 
 
  
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quote: 
  Originally posted by foonat
 on a more relevant note, i have been getting matched up quite a bit (half my games) against protoss, seems to be popular at the moment
 
 
 Seems like all my games are vs Terran or Zerg.  I wish I got matched vs more toss.  I love that matchup.
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:51 pm |  |  | 
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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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 | interesting. i was browsing nerzy's division today (it's more competitive than mine) and 9 of the top 10 are toss
 personally i play toss and i hate PvP =( i kind of want to learn zerg and start playing random
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                | The_G0D 
 
  
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 | Orcs suck._________________
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:15 pm |  |  | 
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                | Sypher 
 
  
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quote: 
  Originally posted by foonat
 interesting. i was browsing nerzy's division today (it's more competitive than mine) and 9 of the top 10 are toss
 
 personally i play toss and i hate PvP =( i kind of want to learn zerg and start playing random
 
 
 Zerg is pretty fun, except for the ZvZ matchup.  I am getting pretty decent and countering mass baneling with a 15 hatch 14 pool build.  I just don't gas and get two crawlers and park my queens on my ramp.  Usually forces a macro game, which I am a bit more comfortable with.
 
 I have got into some pretty funny situations with that build.  Lots of people drop banelings after 1 or 2 fails and go 1 base muta.  Since I get my gas so late (mid 20's), I have to pump out like 5 queens to defend before getting my hydras out.  Mass Transfuse ftw!  From there I just roach hydra with a couple infestors and out macro.
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                |  Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:09 pm |  |  | 
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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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  yea but this doesn't necessarily mean toss are the best raceOriginally posted by Shotgun_
 From my experience, 90% of players are using toss, 8 % Terran, 2 % Zerg. Zerg just seem bad.
 
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                |  Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:29 am |  |  | 
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                | foonat 
 
 
 Joined: 09 Mar 2003
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 | i'm 5-7 today dropped from 6 in division to 20, w00t |  
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                | Scrubbolator 
 
 
 Joined: 21 Sep 2001
 Posts: 1303
 Location: Greece
 | the best part is when playing random, every race you play is imbalanced |  
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                | turtleman@can 
 
 
 Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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 Location: Canada
 | I have a hard time with ZvP matchups, and I always choose random, which so far has had me as zerg 8 out of 9 times or something |  
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