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Swift
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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Counter-dual, rush.
The Idea:
This strat is similar to blind catting, as your cats are already in preperation before you've even scouted your opponent and you're still in-time with a normal rusher if you find that they are rushing.
Notes:
*If you see a rush at any point you would cancel/not start the cats, or not start the mill and start pumping grunts from your two raxs or cancel one cat, wall-in and power. Otherwise continue to work towards cats.
*If they're rushing they will not scout your main with a grunt before you find it or there base if you follow the steps below, unless they for some reason cross scout.
*If they peon scout you, it most likely means they didn't dual.
*A player can not solidly pump grunts from two raxs right off the bat, so you will not be behind on a rush if you decide to cancel cats and pump a bit late with your stacked gold and two raxs already done.
*After practicing this strat alot I find it has the hardest time vs a dual rush, if you scout the dual rush, see if you can block the rax in otherwise I would suggest a straight counter dual.
*The below example is for BNE Gow. For Old Gow, you would only need to just pscout 9 and I guess 4/5 since people seem to dual there.
An Example:
You start 5. First peon scouts your neighbor (if hot then standard nib war). Otherwise then up to 12/2. At home your building like a normal 2 rax rush, and lastly a mill and straight two cats.
After your peon clears 12/2 (If its a rush, dont even start the mill), then go to 8/6 (8/6 and 12/2 must be cleared first because they will scout 5 the fastest), at this point your mill will already be done and your cats started so if you see a rush, just cancel cats and continue to rush.
If its clear continue scouting 9/11. Your peon at this point will most likely be interupted in its tracks around the time you get to s9 if your opponent is rushing.
If you do find a dual you can just begin towering with the scouting peon, when the cats are done and sent up you can equal 6 grunts supporting them with two more on there way. This is an easy win against the dual, as it is really fast and they had little time to prepare (if they even saw your peon scout).
~~~Thats it, I hope I explained it well, for those who care. Comments?
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:34 am |
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fiftyfour40
Joined: 21 Apr 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Lightbringer-
fucking retard....How the fuck can you cancel the mill if you got 2 cats pumping? Oh ya, I forgot, you hack....
Stopped reading right about there...
we should listen to you because you are good at war2
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:21 am |
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Fast Luck
Joined: 11 Oct 2001
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Re: Counter-dual, rush.
Yeah, this is a take off of something I mentioned in Burnt's thread, it really isn't bad.
For example, yesterday I was 12 and my ally was in a 4/5 neighbor war. I made one grunt to scout with and immediately queued up the catapults because I know if the other guy got 6 or 8 or 9 or 11 there's a good chance he is dualing. The cats were already training before I found an s9/9 dual with my 1 grunt scout. If 9 had been rushing though, I could have easily canceled the cats and done a regular rush, or just canceled 1 cat and done a choke and power. It's very adaptable and deadly to dualers, since when their first cat finishes you'll basically have two.
Basically, I've been doing this exact strat for awhile now, usually from a 12/2 position in team games where my ally isn't on the left. I don't do it when 4/5 is the black area because people are less likely to dual there, and those duals are easier to bust.
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:42 am |
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SoCxHoP
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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i think he means if you find a rush, cancel the mill before your cats start. otherwise just cancel the catapaults if your mill's already done.
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:46 am |
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Swift
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by Lightbringer-
fucking retard....How the fuck can you cancel the mill if you got 2 cats pumping?
I never said anything about canceling a mill, thats just a waste of resources since you would have to build one again anyway.
quote:
Originally posted by Fast Luck
Yeah, this is a take off of something I mentioned in Burnt's thread, it really isn't bad.
For example, yesterday I was 12 and my ally was in a 4/5 neighbor war. I made one grunt to scout with and immediately queued up the catapults because I know if the other guy got 6 or 8 or 9 or 11 there's a good chance he is dualing. The cats were already training before I found an s9/9 dual with my 1 grunt scout. If 9 had been rushing though, I could have easily canceled the cats and done a regular rush, or just canceled 1 cat and done a choke and power. It's very adaptable and deadly to dualers, since when their first cat finishes you'll basically have two.
Yeah its a pretty nice strat, I dont think anyone had it cooked like this though. I'm suprised it wasn't a strategy thought up and used regularly as of years ago.
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Originally posted by SoCxYamon
Where the fuck are you swift!?
Busy with school.
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:05 pm |
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SoCxHoP
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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i just did it against one of those .exe guys on east and it just about worked. i crushed his dual with it but since i'm so horrific at fastest i ended up losing. christ people expand a lot on that speed.
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:08 pm |
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merlin
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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I've been saying that the strat doesn't work for years.
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Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:10 pm |
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Ywfn
Joined: 30 May 2001
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ROFL. I've been cooking up early cats and canceling them since Kali. You guys are new.
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Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:08 pm |
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TheDRAX
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
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NOOOBS
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Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:16 pm |
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manzon
Joined: 25 Oct 2000
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In my first game of Warcraft II, this was the strategy I did.
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Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:19 pm |
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Swift
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by Ywfn
ROFL. I've been cooking up early cats and canceling them since Kali. You guys are new.
Really?
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Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:20 am |
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Paper_Boy
Joined: 28 Sep 2000
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Ya u should listen to ywfn ur TOURNEY OWNER
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Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:10 am |
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Ywfn
Joined: 30 May 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Swift
Really?
You've seen me play: My entire way of playing is to try to counter what the other person is doing and/or what I suspect they are doing. I guess I just kinda figured a lot of people did it too, and never thought it was worth mentioning.
Truthfully, the description that blid used is much closer to what I typically do. Although I've done what you described before too. Especially when I play against someone that I know prefers dueling to rushing.
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Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:08 pm |
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AssBlaster
Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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quote:
Originally posted by Ywfn
I guess I just kinda figured a lot of people did it too, and never thought it was worth mentioning.
You can make jokes? Nobody does weird stuff like this. 
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Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:12 pm |
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GenOciDe-
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by AssBlaster
quote:
Originally posted by Ywfn
I guess I just kinda figured a lot of people did it too, and never thought it was worth mentioning.
The cookbooks I use have never said anything about this
fixed
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Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:22 pm |
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ViRuZ
Joined: 29 Jun 2006
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plz i do this strat the best out of anyone
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:52 am |
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GaNz
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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Wow, this is the frist I've heard/seen of this strat, sounds really cool.
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:51 am |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by GaNz
Wow, this is the frist I've heard/seen of this strat, sounds really cool.
That is why you are an all time newbie.
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:06 pm |
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GaNz
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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Location: Toronto, Canada |
quote:
Originally posted by KaNuKs
That is why you are an all time newbie.
yet I destroyed you on your best settings and I was rusty in our last game?
Gg owned
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:31 pm |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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Bne f isnt my best setting and you didnt destroy me at all since i was just fucking around doing a 3 halls double rax lvl 4 chopout rush. As i recall you stupid newb were smurfing. Why would i play seriously against a smurf? That game doesnt count, while the 5-0 beating i gave you is all real, no smurfs, all serious games, all beatings.
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:46 pm |
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Axolotl
Joined: 14 Sep 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by manzon
In my first game of Warcraft II, this was the strategy I did.
The entire thread got owned with this post anyways.
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:56 pm |
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turtleman@can
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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this post is basically swift trying to explain hacking
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:16 pm |
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GaNz
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by KaNuKs
Bne f isnt my best setting and you didnt destroy me at all since i was just fucking around doing a 3 halls double rax lvl 4 chopout rush. As i recall you stupid newb were smurfing. Why would i play seriously against a smurf? That game doesnt count, while the 5-0 beating i gave you is all real, no smurfs, all serious games, all beatings.
lol you never did a 3hall 2rax chopout, get real. You did a dual rush and got mauled. At that time I only played like 50 total bne/f games and u got schooled. As the old saying goes, "when you get rape, you STFU" .
GG
NO RE
STFU
THANKS
OWNED
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:16 pm |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada |
quote:
Originally posted by GaNz
quote:
Originally posted by KaNuKs
Bne f isnt my best setting and you didnt destroy me at all since i was just fucking around doing a 3 halls double rax lvl 4 chopout rush. As i recall you stupid newb were smurfing. Why would i play seriously against a smurf? That game doesnt count, while the 5-0 beating i gave you is all real, no smurfs, all serious games, all beatings.
lol you never did a 3hall 2rax chopout, get real. You did a dual rush and got mauled. At that time I only played like 50 total bne/f games and u got schooled. As the old saying goes, "when you get rape, you STFU" .
GG
NO RE
STFU
THANKS
OWNED
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6, 11 and 2 (that one wasnt walled, just my hall on the edge of the map old gow style). I call that 3 halls. I bet you hacked anyway. How can you keep rushing up to lvl 5 and 16 grunts when u scouted my dual and u couldnt see me pumping grunts inside? 5-0 GGs hacking fagget.
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:03 pm |
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GaNz
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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You must be retarded since you can't even remember the game properly. You only had ONE exp and were dual rushing, I scouted the other spots. You got mauled, end of story. Nice excuse, "I bet you hacked", rofl pathetic.
Gg
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:18 pm |
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Swift
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by turtleman@can
this post is basically swift trying to explain hacking
I just called your boyfriend gay and he hit me with his purse.
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:19 pm |
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GenOciDe-
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Posts: 5719
Location: Ottawa |
quote:
Originally posted by turtleman@can
this post is basically swift trying to explain hacking
money.
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:29 pm |
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Warcraft Occult Forum Index
-> Strategy & Tactics
I don't know how significant of a help it is or if more people will start doing it, but if it is good enough to become common then I'd guess rep rushes or fake duals would be a bit more useful.
