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Originally posted by ORKinman2
The problem with this list is there are no parameters to identify what constitutes ranking of the player. It seems as if you threw random names into groups that you have heard of at some point in time, which makes for a pretty silly list for people that have been around for a while.

For me, Warcraft 2 players are defined by skill level dependent upon the era in which they played their most games and were at their highest skill level; Warcraft 2 today is not Warcraft 2 pre-B.Net days. There was an actual map selection from the players back in the day, which was also a double-edged sword because it could make for some frustrating times. For example, I used to hate NWL (A league on Kali--Rivaled Case's Ladder) for the same reason I don't care for what War2 has ultimately evolved into--One settings all the time. I thought NWL sucked because pos/low was the gow/high of that league, but there were some very good players (many of which are not even on this list).

What makes a player "the best"? Is it winning percentage? Is it winning streaks? Ca$h, and Buko@CAN had some of the highest winning percentages and winning streaks, but they aren't even mentioned (at the time I think both had roughly 60+ games winning streaks in the prime of Case's Ladder which was ultimately broken by Axolotl I think?). If you are talking winning percentage and reputation there were few bigger players than Azteca back in the days of Kali. He was the first loudmouth/great player kind of the Muhammad Ali of Warcraft 2 back in the beginning days of conservative online gaming. It was also pretty much generally accepted that DethWlkr was the best overall Warcraft 2 player, but somehow only managed to get to tier 5 on this current list.

The 36th Chamber/Grunt Rushing Freaks (~Mage;.~, ~Warangel;.~, & ~Creed;.~) were always at the top of the team ladders along with The IN Clan (INcinerate & IN-Hell), Agents of Death (TillerMaN, Agent911, iLL), Dark Tangent (DethWlkr, DethMongal, Stalker), Hawaiian (TanthalaS, Ca$h, Loon, Deo), The other IN Clan (*NauticaX, etc.), the @CAN guys (Quasar, Peon, Lammy, Buko, Demolitor, etc.), The random Asian guys with the always changing clan names (~Warbringer, SuperPeon, sosowac), golfers (or whatever random names they had--ut, BoozeCans, Panda), all of which had better players than the majority listed in the previous posts.

There were a lot of great players, especially in the prime playing days of Warcraft 2 that aren't listed. Shared vision did a lot for creating better players faster and the skilled players started getting phased out by fast clickers who mimic their craftyness and only play one setting--gow/high. Today's players would find it frustrating to play back in the day, because gow/high wasn't the only setting played. Not to mention, remember the pkt:8 days? What a mess that was--I don't know how anyone had patience for that. The majority of the best Warcraft 2 players, in my opinion, never made it to B.net because of StarCraft.

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Originally posted by ORKinman2
The problem with this list is there are no parameters to identify what constitutes ranking of the player. It seems as if you threw random names into groups that you have heard of at some point in time, which makes for a pretty silly list for people that have been around for a while.

For me, Warcraft 2 players are defined by skill level dependent upon the era in which they played their most games and were at their highest skill level; Warcraft 2 today is not Warcraft 2 pre-B.Net days. There was an actual map selection from the players back in the day, which was also a double-edged sword because it could make for some frustrating times. For example, I used to hate NWL (A league on Kali--Rivaled Case's Ladder) for the same reason I don't care for what War2 has ultimately evolved into--One settings all the time. I thought NWL sucked because pos/low was the gow/high of that league, but there were some very good players (many of which are not even on this list).

What makes a player "the best"? Is it winning percentage? Is it winning streaks? Ca$h, and Buko@CAN had some of the highest winning percentages and winning streaks, but they aren't even mentioned (at the time I think both had roughly 60+ games winning streaks in the prime of Case's Ladder which was ultimately broken by Axolotl I think?). If you are talking winning percentage and reputation there were few bigger players than Azteca back in the days of Kali. He was the first loudmouth/great player kind of the Muhammad Ali of Warcraft 2 back in the beginning days of conservative online gaming. It was also pretty much generally accepted that DethWlkr was the best overall Warcraft 2 player, but somehow only managed to get to tier 5 on this current list.

The 36th Chamber/Grunt Rushing Freaks (~Mage;.~, ~Warangel;.~, & ~Creed;.~) were always at the top of the team ladders along with The IN Clan (INcinerate & IN-Hell), Agents of Death (TillerMaN, Agent911, iLL), Dark Tangent (DethWlkr, DethMongal, Stalker), Hawaiian (TanthalaS, Ca$h, Loon, Deo), The other IN Clan (*NauticaX, etc.), the @CAN guys (Quasar, Peon, Lammy, Buko, Demolitor, etc.), The random Asian guys with the always changing clan names (~Warbringer, SuperPeon, sosowac), golfers (or whatever random names they had--ut, BoozeCans, Panda), all of which had better players than the majority listed in the previous posts.

There were a lot of great players, especially in the prime playing days of Warcraft 2 that aren't listed. Shared vision did a lot for creating better players faster and the skilled players started getting phased out by fast clickers who mimic their craftyness and only play one setting--gow/high. Today's players would find it frustrating to play back in the day, because gow/high wasn't the only setting played. Not to mention, remember the pkt:8 days? What a mess that was--I don't know how anyone had patience for that. The majority of the best Warcraft 2 players, in my opinion, never made it to B.net because of StarCraft.

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i agree, that's why making any list like this is silly...it might make more sense to break it up by "eras" (i.e., pre-bnet, early bnet (1999-2003?), late bnet (2003-whenever .ru started), .ru

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Here is where I would say the top players from each eras were ! (Some players were good in multiple eras but I will put where I think they peaked)

Server.War2.Ru(2006-Present)

[TD]Viruz, Swift, Shotgun, [TD]Wargasm, Poscow, BHC-Jesk

Late Battle.net (2004-2006)

Kanuks, SD-Foonat, Rat, SD-Prophecy, Tyrus

Mid Battle.net (2002-2004)

[24-7]Valkrie, Scrubbo, Yahmon, Nerzyman, [24-7]BuzzBomb

Early Battle.Net (1999-2002)

(DI)Ash, (DI)KHB , uc

Pre-Battle.net (1996-1999)

IN.Tillerman, DethWlkr@DT, INcinerate, [24-7]Stalin, (DI)Azteca, Tanthalas
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You forgot to put Ganz in every era you ignorant castles nooby.

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you mean he ladder abused pre pre battlenet?
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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Here is where I would say the top players from each eras were ! (Some players were good in multiple eras but I will put where I think they peaked)

Server.War2.Ru(2006-Present)

[TD]Viruz, Swift, Shotgun, [TD]Wargasm, Poscow, BHC-Jesk

Late Battle.net (2004-2006)

Kanuks, SD-Foonat, Rat, SD-Prophecy, Tyrus

Mid Battle.net (2002-2004)

[24-7]Valkrie, Scrubbo, Yahmon, Nerzyman, [24-7]BuzzBomb

Early Battle.Net (1999-2002)

(DI)Ash, (DI)KHB , uc

Pre-Battle.net (1996-1999)

IN.Tillerman, DethWlkr@DT, INcinerate, [24-7]Stalin, (DI)Azteca, Tanthalas

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Not sure about Propehy and Tyrus being quite good enough to be one of the few on those lists. I really have no idea about Buzzbomb and uc so if people think those guys make sense then that's OK I guess
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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Not sure about Propehy and Tyrus being quite good enough to be one of the few on those lists. I really have no idea about Buzzbomb and uc so if people think those guys make sense then that's OK I guess

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I remember Tyrus winning alot of the IW2PL tournaments by SoC~Nedok and I believe some early IGL ones as well. He was pretty impressive there for awhile.
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I like it.
Romove pre hackers. (I see 3)

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Originally posted by Rat

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
Not sure about Propehy and Tyrus being quite good enough to be one of the few on those lists. I really have no idea about Buzzbomb and uc so if people think those guys make sense then that's OK I guess

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Ya I dont remember uc. aka?
And my memory abut Buzzbomb is small.

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hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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I like it.
Romove pre hackers. (I see 3)

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I don't disagree. But I do find it funny that you failed to mention that you, without question, should be removed from that list. it's odd you wouldn't mention that when talking about who should be removed, being how obvious it is that you're the goose in that list.

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hmm.. when did Pimster league take place?

I just looked at Burnt's Tournament Winner list (and from memory) it looks like I peaked 2002 or 2007 and should removed by that reason.
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I like it.
Romove pre hackers. (I see 3)

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I don't disagree. But I do find it funny that you failed to mention that you, without question, should be removed from that list. it's odd you wouldn't mention that when talking about who should be removed, being how obvious it is that you're the goose in that list.

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I remember doing well against the others in that group back in the days. (Pimsters league etc). But nowadays I shouldnt be near any top 10 list.

Having said that u can replace me with YWFN.

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hmm.. when did Pimster league take place?

I just looked at Burnt's Tournament Winner list (and from memory) it looks like I peaked 2002 or 2007 and should removed by that reason.

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Lawl at blid, makes sense these days tho.

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
Simple question

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THE-FACT for never playing a game or speaking and being online 24/7 for years. Thats some dedication right there.

Old posts I know, but uc = undercover.
He was a fellow Greek and a pretty good player. He played kali and early bnet where we allied a lot. He always refused to meet me IRL cause he said he didn't know what to tell his GF about meeting someone from the internet.

He went on to be semi-pro at War3.

Only other Greek players I've known were PBuck and MCadder on kali, and also some fastest player who made me promise not to reveal he was Greek for some reason

edit: Buzzbomb is the guy who played 2000 games in 2 months

Re edit: I actually think it was 2000 wins, not just 2000 games in 2 months. He went from newb to near top player by the end of that

Comparing the best war2 player between eras is like comparing Jesse Owens to Usain Bolt.
The former was the very best in his time and won 4 gold medals (same as multiple map selection on war2) but would get blown away if he had to compete vs Bolt in a 100m today (swift, ruz etc)

The competition today is highly specialised (gow map) and has been refined over the years. The same holds true to my analogy as todays athletes are full time pros training dailly specialising in 1 or 2 disciplines. This coupled with very specific and scientific training, nutrition, gear they use ultimately make it that today's best would blow away yesterday's best.
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend

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gow skill translates pretty easily to other maps

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eh early battle.net buzzbomb was pretty strong. and yahmon. uc was just decent to good.


(DI)nex was pretty good early in bnet. and Stalin.

yahmon was newb except on nwtr lol
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