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[24-7]Guan-Yu
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
Have you read anything else by Murakami?
I really liked Wild Sheep Chase and Dance Dance Dance was good too. I also read Kafka on the Shore, although Sheep Chase is my favorite of those three. ghostnuke is a jerk and when he asked which murakami book i'd recommend and i said Sheep Chase he went and asked for Hard Boiled Wonderland for Christmas instead.
Haven't read others. I keep hearing Norwegian Wood is a must read but I guess I can buy Sheep Chase instead to make you happy =]
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:01 pm |
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Fast Luck
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yeah i heard norwegian wood was the book that he really "broke out" with
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Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:10 pm |
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ChrisLui
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has anyone read finnegans wake? i was gonna buy ulysses when i came across this one and it looks cool too.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:54 am |
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hassan-i-sabbah
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Yeah well Hard-Boiled Wonderland was 0wnage so...
I've read portions of Finnegans Wake, it's interesting and worth a look at but don't expect to actually finish or "get" it without being a Joyce scholar, having a master's degree, or having the patience to read it through multiple times along with a lot of critical essays and annotations
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:58 am |
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ChrisLui
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ah man lol, oh well i'll give it a shot anyway. is that what ulysses is like as well?
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:00 am |
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hassan-i-sabbah
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no, ulysses is a difficult read but it's much more "readable," though i myself haven't finished it (read about 300 pages a year and a half ago and have had it on the back burner since)
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:01 am |
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SoCxHoP
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Originally posted by hassan-i-sabbah
no, ulysses is a difficult read but it's much more "readable," though i myself haven't finished it (read about 300 pages a year and a half ago and have had it on the back burner since)
i bought Ulysses one time because an english teacher told me if i read one book for the rest of my life, to read Ulysses. haven't even cracked the cover yet. i suppose i'm intimidated or something.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:43 am |
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ChrisLui
Joined: 13 Dec 2003
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books aren't scary and if you put some serious effort into reading a difficult book you'll come out a better person for it
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:50 am |
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ChrisLui
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i found A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man and Dubliners for $6.25 together. good deal?
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:56 am |
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hassan-i-sabbah
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these days getting just one book for $6.25 is a good deal
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:58 am |
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Sappy
Joined: 07 Oct 2000
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Ulysses was meant to be a literary and linguistic experiment, not a novel to be read for enjoyment. I don't get why people get a hard on over this novel and always say it is one of top X novels ever written. Yes, it is important in terms of literary technique but thinking it is a good novel to casually read for this reason is akin to suggesting, "If you read any one book in your whole life, read the Webster's Unabridged Dictionary." If you are not a literary scholar, I doubt you will get any real utility from reading Ulysses aside from the realization that language is a very powerful and adaptable tool, but this aspect has nothing to do with the actual subject matter or plot of the novel.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:47 am |
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Sappy
Joined: 07 Oct 2000
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Originally posted by hassan-i-sabbah
these days getting just one book for $6.25 is a good deal
I usually get my books at the flea market near my parent's house or at the Salvation Army/thrift shops in my city. You can usually find brand new books (and solid titles too) for $0.25-$1, and even hard covers are usually no more than $2.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:49 am |
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hassan-i-sabbah
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That may be true but even if that were Joyce's purpose in writing it (which I think is debatable) I don't think that really changes the actual experience of reading the book. I'm not too big on the authorial intent school of thought. Personally I really enjoy reading Ulysses and I find it to be an entertaining and even an emotionally rewarding experience beyond just "oooh that's a neat way to use language." I certainly agree it is not something to read casually in the same way one would read a Stephen King novel or something though.
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:51 am |
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Sappy
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Originally posted by hassan-i-sabbah
That may be true but even if that were Joyce's purpose in writing it (which I think is debatable) I don't think that really changes the actual experience of reading the book. I'm not too big on the authorial intent school of thought. Personally I really enjoy reading Ulysses and I find it to be an entertaining and even an emotionally rewarding experience beyond just "oooh that's a neat way to use language."
I mean if you genuinely enjoy the plot, that's fine, but I don't think the story itself is anything special. People who say stuff like "If you must read one book, read Ulysses" usually don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:54 am |
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hassan-i-sabbah
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Well yeah, the plot in isolation is certainly nothing special, just like the plot of a lot of "great books" isn't anything special. It's the way the story is told rather than the story itself. I don't really disagree with your basic point though, canonizing in general is pretty dumb.
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:56 am |
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SoCxHoP
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Originally posted by Sappy
I mean if you genuinely enjoy the plot, that's fine, but I don't think the story itself is anything special. People who say stuff like "If you must read one book, read Ulysses" usually don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
keep in mind the person that told me that was a 70 year old english professor. the language alone was probably better than viagra for him.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:13 pm |
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ChrisLui
Joined: 13 Dec 2003
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i think it's a little silly to get wound up over something like that. maybe that's just his way of recommending a book he enjoys a lot.
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:57 pm |
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Fast Luck
Joined: 11 Oct 2001
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finished dead souls by n. gogol, lolita by nabokov, and journey to the end of the night by celine
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Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:48 pm |
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HAMSTER.
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
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Listen, get friends and talk about books with them.
I just looked through this thread and laughed.
Listen to ghostnuke it's hillarious LOOOL!
I think this forum has become a few peoples social life people like ghostnuke, chrislui, jon, fast_luck and Mackman, on like everyday and post every 2 mins.
God you guys must wake up everyday and be like thank god for this forum.
SEEEEEEEEEE YAAAAAAAAAAA LATER GANGSTAZ!!!!!
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:28 am |
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Kith-Kanin
Joined: 15 Sep 2000
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Originally posted by HAMSTER.
Listen, get friends and talk about books with them.
I just looked through this thread and laughed.
Listen to ghostnuke it's hillarious LOOOL!
I think this forum has become a few peoples social life people like ghostnuke, chrislui, jon, fast_luck and Mackman, on like everyday and post every 2 mins.
God you guys must wake up everyday and be like thank god for this forum.
SEEEEEEEEEE YAAAAAAAAAAA LATER GANGSTAZ!!!!!
Yeah man, talking about books is soooo dumb.
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:43 am |
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Scrub
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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The History and Discovery channels work fine for me. Who has time to read? Unless you're single or going on a plane trip, I really don't see how you have the time unless you're someone who can open up a book for 10 minutes and throw your bookmarker in. I'm not like that and I read pretty fast.
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:46 am |
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ChrisLui
Joined: 13 Dec 2003
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it's not that hard to find time to read. that's like saying how do you guys find the time to play WoW or counter-strike, unless you're the type that can start playing and then disc after 10 minutes? or how do you find the time to watch tv? it sounds like reading is just very low on your list of priorities and that's fine, but a lot of people prefer it to tv or online gaming.
i don't understand your history/discovery channel comment. most of the books mentioned in this thread were fiction novels and not necessarily read for educational purposes. a lot of people read for entertainment.
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:33 am |
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Kith-Kanin
Joined: 15 Sep 2000
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Originally posted by ChrisLui
it's not that hard to find time to read. that's like saying how do you guys find the time to play WoW or counter-strike, unless you're the type that can start playing and then disc after 10 minutes? or how do you find the time to watch tv? it sounds like reading is just very low on your list of priorities and that's fine, but a lot of people prefer it to tv or online gaming.
i don't understand your history/discovery channel comment. most of the books mentioned in this thread were fiction novels and not necessarily read for educational purposes. a lot of people read for entertainment.
A good series of books to read, for fantasy lovers, is the Tad Williams series, Memory Sorrow and Thorn.
I don't know how to time how much I can read unless there's a standardized test somewhere, but I do know that a 400 page book usually takes me about an hour and a half. If it's a book I've read before I've done them in under an hour.
Non-Fiction takes me longer simply because I tend to want to absorb it more and I don't exactly use my imagination. One thing about reading fiction versus non-fiction--for me anyways--is that my imagination usually can fill in any blanks. So even though I will skip words like: the, and, went, through; I only need to pick out one or two words in a paragraph and then I know what the whole paragraph is about.
It's hard to explain unless you actually do it. 
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:28 pm |
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Kith-Kanin
Joined: 15 Sep 2000
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Originally posted by Scrub
The History and Discovery channels work fine for me. Who has time to read? Unless you're single or going on a plane trip, I really don't see how you have the time unless you're someone who can open up a book for 10 minutes and throw your bookmarker in. I'm not like that and I read pretty fast.
As for this comment, you've got it low on your priorities like Chris said. I will usually read a book before bed at least every second day.
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:29 pm |
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SoCxHoP
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Originally posted by Kith-Kanin
I don't know how to time how much I can read unless there's a standardized test somewhere, but I do know that a 400 page book usually takes me about an hour and a half. If it's a book I've read before I've done them in under an hour.
wow that's really fast. i can do about 100 pages in an hour, a little more if i'm real into the story, but i read every word. i just worked on being able to read like 5 or 6 words at a time so i can get a line done in 2 or 3 glances. the other thing that REALLY helps is training yourself not to sound out words in your head as you read them. if you sound every word out you're almost limited by the speed at which you speak.
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:36 pm |
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Jon;
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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Originally posted by SoCxHoP
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Originally posted by Kith-Kanin
I don't know how to time how much I can read unless there's a standardized test somewhere, but I do know that a 400 page book usually takes me about an hour and a half. If it's a book I've read before I've done them in under an hour.
wow that's really fast. i can do about 100 pages in an hour, a little more if i'm real into the story, but i read every word. i just worked on being able to read like 5 or 6 words at a time so i can get a line done in 2 or 3 glances. the other thing that REALLY helps is training yourself not to sound out words in your head as you read them. if you sound every word out you're almost limited by the speed at which you speak.
teach
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:49 pm |
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turnsite
Joined: 02 Dec 2008
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you guys have superhuman comprehension skills to go along with your high words/hour?
generally the faster you work through a book the less you get out of it
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:42 pm |
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Jon;
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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i dont think kith has any comprehension what so ever.
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:47 pm |
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Fast Luck
Joined: 11 Oct 2001
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If I'm reading for enjoyment, why would I want to read 5 or 6 words at a time? I'm not in any rush to finish, I'll go one word at a time. I sure don't have any interest in reading 400 pages in an hour. However, not insulting fantasy books here, but that kind of stuff you can probably fly through a bit.
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Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:07 pm |
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SoCxHoP
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
If I'm reading for enjoyment, why would I want to read 5 or 6 words at a time? I'm not in any rush to finish, I'll go one word at a time. I sure don't have any interest in reading 400 pages in an hour. However, not insulting fantasy books here, but that kind of stuff you can probably fly through a bit.
yeah it took about a month or two to get to where i don't have to try to go fast to do it. i just concentrated on doing 2 words at a time instead of 1, then i went up to 3 at a time once i was comfortable with 2, etc. i can do 5 or 6 now without even thinking about it. you don't even really need concentrate on comprehending... it's the same as i was when i did 1 word at a time. none of it's possible if you sound every word out though so i spent like a week or 2 reading constantly and concentrating really hard on reading by sight. i've heard of people who can do multiple lines at a time with the same strategy but i don't think my eyes are good enough for that. i'm far sighted.
I think EyeQ uses the same theory but they have games and things that help train you. i snatched it one time on oink but i haven't ever gotten around to installing it. i'll try it out some time.
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